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« on: Wednesday 05 January 2005, 13:33:09 »
a aparut Alchimistul lui Coelho, pe cd, in lectura excelenta a lui Florian Pittis
Editura Humanitas, cd-ul costa in jur de 180.000 lei.
oricum, alchimia coelhiana + lectura de aur a lui Pittis justifica fiecare banut !


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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 January 2005, 13:58:21 »
ptr. fanii acestui autor, dintr-un newsletter:
"Please note
In the month of June 2005, take a virtual 14-day trip with Paulo Coelho on the Trans-Siberian railroad from Moscow to Vladivostok (on the Pacific Ocean). We will have a webcam inside and outside the train and every day we will have a chat with readers, a message, photos and Paulo Coelho’s notes on the journey.

The Trans-Siberian railroad stretches for over 9,000 kilometers and crosses 7 different time zones.

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 January 2005, 14:01:05 »
si continuarea newsletterului, o poveste de seara (Coelho made):

The three forms of love: Eros, Philos, Agape  
 
      In 1986, when I was on the road to Santiago with my guide Petrus, we passed through the city of Logroño while a wedding was taking place. We ordered two glasses of wine, I prepared something to nibble on, and Petrus discovered a table where we could sit down together with the other guests.
     The wedding couple cut an immense cake.
     “They must love one another,” I thought aloud.
     “Of course they love one another,” said a man in a dark suit sitting at our table. Have you ever seen anyone get married for any another reason?”
     But Petrus did not let the question go unanswered:
     “What type of love do you mean: Eros, Philos or Agape?”
     The man looked at him without understanding a word.
     “There are three words in Greek to designate love,” Petrus said. “Today you are seeing the manifestation of Eros, that sentiment between two persons.”
     The bride and groom smiled for the cameras and received compliments from the guests.
     “The two seem to love one another. In a short time they will be fighting alone for life, establishing themselves in a house and taking part in the same adventure: that’s what makes love grand and dignified. He will pursue his career, she probably knows how to cook and will make an excellent housewife because since she was a little girl she was brought up to do that. She will accompany him, they will have children and they will manage to build something together, they will be happy for ever.”
     “Al of a sudden, however, this story could happen the other way around. He is going to feel that he is not free enough to show all the Eros, all the love that he has for other women. She may begin to feel that she has sacrificed a career and a brilliant life to accompany her husband. So, instead of creating together, each of them will feel robbed in their way of loving. Eros, the spirit that joins them, will start to display only his bad side. And what God had meant to be man’s most noble sentiment will begin to be a source of hatred and destruction.”
     I looked around me. Eros was present in many couples. But I could sense the presence of Eros the Good and Eros the Evil, just like Petrus had described.
     “Notice how odd it is,” continued my guide. “Despite being good or bad, the face of Eros is never the same in all persons.”
     The band struck up a waltz. People moved to a small paved area in front of the band-stand to dance. The alcohol began to show its effect and they all became merrier and drenched in sweat. I noticed a girl dressed in blue who must have been waiting for this wedding just for the moment of the waltz to arrive because she wanted to dance with someone she had dreamed of embracing ever since she entered adolescence. Her eyes followed the movements of a young man, well dressed in a light-colored suit, who was sitting with a bunch of friends. They were talking away merrily, they had not noticed that the waltz had started, nor had they noticed that a few yards away a girl in blue was staring at one of them.
     I thought of small towns, of marriages with the chosen boy, dreamed of ever since childhood.
     The girl in blue noticed me looking at her and moved away. And as if the whole movement had been rehearsed, now it was the boy’s turn to seek her out with his eyes. Discovering that she was close to other girls, he went back to his lively conversation with his friends.
     I drew Petrus’s attention to the two of them. He watched them exchanging glances for a while and then returned to his glass of wine.
     “They act as if it were something shameful to demonstrate that they love one another,” was his only remark.
     Another girl was staring at us, she must have been half our age. Petrus raised his glass, made a toast, the girl laughed in embarrassment and made a gesture pointing towards her parents almost in apology at not coming closer.
     “That’s the beautiful side of love,” he said. “Love that challenges, love for two older strangers who have come from afar and tomorrow will already have parted down a road that she too would like to travel. The love that prefers adventure.”
     Then he continued, pointing to an elderly couple:
     “Look at those two: they haven’t let themselves be affected by hypocrisy, like so many others. They look like they are a couple of farm workers: hunger and need have obliged them to overcome many a difficulty together. They have discovered love through work, which is where Eros shows his most beautiful face, also known as Philos.”
     “What’s Philos?”
     “Philos is love in the form of friendship. It’s what I feel for you and others. When the flame of Eros no longer able to shine, it’s Philos who keeps couples together.”
     “And what about Agape?”
     “Agape is total love, the love that devours those that experience it. Whoever knows and experiences Agape sees that nothing else in this world is of any importance, only loving. This was the love that Jesus felt for humanity, and it was so great that it shook the stars and changed the course of man’s history.”
     “During the millennia of the history of civilization, many people have been smitten by this Love that Devours. They had so much to give – and the world demanded so little – that they were obliged to seek out the deserts and isolated places because love was so great that it transfigured them. They became the hermit saints that we know today.”
     “For me and you who have experienced another form of Agape, this life here may seem hard and terrible. Yet the Love that Devours makes everything lose its importance: these men live only to be consumed by their love.”
     He took a pause.
     “Agape is the Love that Devours,” he repeated once more, as if this was the phrase that best defined that strange type of love. “Luther King once said that when Christ spoke of loving our enemies he was referring to Agape. Because according to him, it was impossible to like our enemies, those who do us harm and try to make our daily suffering all the worse.”
     “But Agape is a lot more than liking. It is a sentiment that invades everything, fills all the cracks and makes any attempt at aggression turn to dust.”
     “There are two forms of Agape. One is isolation, life dedicated only to contemplation. The other is precisely the opposite: contact with other human beings, and enthusiasm, the sacred sense of work. Enthusiasm means trance, ecstasy, connecting with God. Enthusiasm is Agape directed at some idea, something.”
     “When we love and believe in something from the bottom of our soul, we feel stronger than the world and we are imbued with a serenity that comes from the certainty that nothing can conquer our faith. This strange force makes us always make the right decisions at the right time, and we are surprised at our own capacity when we fulfill our objective.”
     “Enthusiasm usually manifests itself in all its power in the early years of our life. We still have a strong tie with the divinity and we give ourselves with such zeal to our toys that dolls take on a life of their own and little tin soldiers manage to march. When Jesus said that the kingdom of Heaven belonged to the children, he was referring to Agape in the form of Enthusiasm. The children reached him without paying any attention to his miracles, his wisdom, the Pharisees and the apostles. They came happily, driven by Enthusiasm.”
     “May you never lose your enthusiasm at any moment for the rest of your life: it’s your greatest strength, intent on the final victory. You cannot let it slip through your fingers just because as time passes we have to face some small and necessary defeats.”


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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 07:41:24 »
Ghidule, eu cred ca succesul lui Coelho e temporar. Nu va ramane in marea literatura. Parerea mea. :???:

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 08:59:46 »
eu as fi interesat in mersul trenurilor in lectura lui pittis  :D
Mama prostilor e mereu gravida.


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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 09:35:30 »
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 10:18:11 »
Temporar, temporarul Coelho este in preferintele mele. Ce ma enerveaza mai mult , este faptul ca a ajuns, ca multi alti scriitori , sa fie citit pentru ca este "la moda".Cam in genul in care Mutu citea Eminescu si rezolva probleme de matematica in timpul liber  8-) . Citea Mutu doua poezii de Eminescu , apoi punea o "liniuta"  drept semn carte ...
Daca mergi la un stand de carte, putine carti scrise de contemporani par a avea "termen de valabilitate" mai mare decat temporarul in cauza. Multe din experientele lui sunt desprinse / prelucrate in calatorii, precum cea pe care o va face in Rusia.  
De altfel, sunt adeptul acestui tip de cunoastere a lumii prin calatorie. Multi tineri afara isi amana anul de incepere al facultatilor pentru a reusi sa calatoreasca,sa cunoasca, sa experimenteze. Multi sunt ca Mutu, experimenteaza gustul multinational al berii, sexului sau drogului. nu spun ca primele doua nu ar fi placute, dar, ca la multi, cunoasterea nu reuseste sa sara deasupra buricului ( :-( nu ma refer la "marime" ! :D )
Din pacate , alchimia calatoriei se desfasoara la multi dintre  noi in sens invers : devin mai rai si mai ignoranti.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 10:58:10 »
Quote from: ioana
Ghidule, eu cred ca succesul lui Coelho e temporar. Nu va ramane in marea literatura. Parerea mea. :???:
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..temporar..netemporar....dar Alchimistu' ..mi-a picat in mana..intr-o zi in care eram cu moralul la pamant.....si zau ca m-am bine dispus....si alte celelalte...
AYEZ l'obligeance de me parler avec douceur, sans élever le ton et sans me contrarier en aucune manière !!!!!!


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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 11:59:11 »
E drept ca profunzimea sa egala cu ea insasi face pe multi dintre noi sa ne simtim bine incercand sa ne punem la adancimea ei..Dar e fluent si articulat si ne pune in fata un model de urmat. Nu toti pot ajunge sa fie la moda..Ca si Alchimistul sau putem sa avem ceva revelatii pascand oile pe care le numaram seara incercand sa adormim...E la indemana noastra a tuturor...

Asta e mesajul...si e unul de speranta cum a remarcat UQAM...

Cohelo are totusi sansa sa zica ceva..fiind la moda. Sa vedem deci ce are de zis..E un 'reality show' al literaturii.

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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 06 January 2005, 14:32:33 »
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eu as fi interesat in mersul trenurilor in lectura lui pittis  :D

 :eek:
I'll be there!

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 07 January 2005, 07:03:19 »
Azi noapte s-a trezit Oana. Deci si eu. Iar atunci cand ma trezesc in timpul noptii, adorm foarte greu pentru ca incepe creierul sa lucreze ca zapacitul. Parca atunci e momentul, nu ziua, cand ma chinui sa fiu inteligenta pe tacla.
No, sa revin. :lol: Mi-am dat seama de ce nu-mi place Coelho. Nu pentru ca n-ar avea idei interesante (care unora li se par locuri comune, of course), nu pentru ca motivul calatoriei initiatice e prafuit (poate fi lesne readus in fata), nu pentru ca place tuturor, ci pentru ca e serios. Adicatelea, nu are umor. Sau nu l-am gasit eu. E cam ca in Picatura de aur a lui Tournier. Destul de interesanta, dar plicticoasa. Si faptul ca 11 minute e atat de sexuala ... ce sa zic?! Gandesc ca tinteste si un alt public, deci pare cam comercial. Si nu scrie cam repede cate un roman? Zici ca are un program pe calc. Ca alea de facut muzica.

Aaaaasa. Ziceti ca va bine dispune. Incercati-l pe Zorba grecul. Un coleg de faculta mi-a recomandat-o. Zicea ca iti face pofta de viata ca nimic altceva. Asa e.