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Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« on: Wednesday 12 September 2007, 11:26:46 »
Provincia canadiana Quebec unde emigreaza cei mai multi romani (datorita sistemului facil de acordare a vizelor) este totodata si locul unde emigrantii o duc cel mai greu. Astfel, in timp ce doar 6.3% din localnici (englezi si francezi) nu au job, procentul emigrantilor veniti de mai putin de 5 ani si aflati fara servici se ridica la aproape 18%. Nici cei ajunsi de mai mult de 5 ani nu o duc prea bine, rata somajului ridicindu-se la 13.5% in rindurile lor. Cauzele sunt multiple: (1) Procesul extrem de greoi de recunoastere a diplomelor universitare - dureaza cit o facultate -, mai bine refaci totul decit sa echivalezi. (2) Necesitatea cunoasterii a doua limbi (Franceza si Engleza), (3) Numarul mare de emigranti cu studii superioare, 36% fata de doar 22% localnici. (4) Putinatatea locurilor de munca pentru personalul calificat, economia Quebecului bazindu-se mai mult pe muncitori necalificati, (5) Nationalismul localnicilor.

Daca comparam cifra de 18% (fara joburi) cu aceea de 36% (emigranti cu studii superioare) nu este greu sa deducem ca jumatate din cei cu facultati sunt fara servici in primii 5 ani de Quebec si o treime ramin in continuare fara dupa ce au trecut cei cinci ani.

Ca urmare, fiti atenti cind luati decizia emigrarii in Quebec deoarece este foarte probabil sa va  alegeti cu o tzeapa de proportii.



Immigrant unemployment most acute in Quebec

TAVIA GRANT
September 11, 2007

Newcomers are facing severe challenges finding work in Quebec, while they tend to gain employment much more easily in Manitoba and Alberta, a national study showed yesterday.

Immigrants throughout Canada struggle for work in the first decade after they arrive, especially in the first five years. But nowhere is the problem more acute than in Quebec, where they experience "substantially" higher unemployment rates than Canadian-born people - regardless of how long they've been in the country, Statistics Canada said.

Statscan used immigration figures gathered last year from its labour-force survey to analyze the immigrant labour market, focusing on people from the ages of 25 to 54. The resulting study paints a contrasting picture of how immigrants fare from province to province.

Most immigrants who've lived in Canada for a decade or longer find jobs at the same rate as Canadian-born people as they become more integrated.

In Quebec, however, even established immigrants - those who have lived in Canada for 10 years or more - can't seem to find work.

Linguistic challenges may be one reason.

"There may be a greater linguistic mismatch, the French language skills to Quebec versus the English language skills to the rest of Canada," said Morton Weinfeld, chairman of Canadian Ethnic Studies at McGill University in Montreal. He believes "there is still a large number [of immigrants] to Quebec that speak either English or neither language ... that fact alone could explain the weaker economic integration."

Other reasons may bethat many immigrants tend to attend school or stay home to take care of their families, the study suggested.

"Another factor that could explain higher unemployment rates among immigrants in Quebec could be related to the countries of birth of immigrants living in Quebec compared to other provinces," the study states, adding that the topic will be discussed in a future report.

On the flipside, the jobless rate for established immigrants in Atlantic Canada was just 4.1 per cent - less than half the region's 8.9-per-cent rate.

By last year, most of Canada's immigrants came from Asia, particularly India and China. About a fifth of Canada's population is born outside the country, one of the highest proportions in the world.

Immigrants will take on an even greater importance in the years ahead as Canada copes with an aging population and looming labour shortages. If current rates continue, immigration could account for virtually all net labour-force growth by 2011, the report states.

First-generation immigrants may have growing pains in integrating into the Canadian work force, but the problem eases with the second generation, Dr. Weinfeld pointed out.

"The real proof of the immigration and integration process is ultimately going to be with the children of immigrants, how they will be faring," he said. "Take a stroll through the campuses of Canada's major universities and research centres and institutes, particularly in the sciences and in commerce. See who's enrolled and who's graduating. Enough said."

Over all, newcomers are much more likely to have a university education than Canadian-born residents, Statscan reported. Thirty-six per cent of working-age immigrants had at least a bachelor's degree, while among those born in Canada, the proportion was just 22 per cent.

The report also shows stark gender differences.

"Labour market outcomes were better for immigrant men than their female counterparts, and ... young immigrant women in particular have struggled," the analysts wrote.

Regardless of how long they'd been in Canada, immigrant women had higher unemployment rates than both immigrant men and Canadian-born women.

Immigrants are more likely to work in factories, professional and technical services and accommodation and food services.

The need to adjust to a new life in Canada, earn credential recognition and be retrained are some reasons for the gap. Immigrants themselves say the most serious difficulties in entering the work force are a lack of Canadian experience, lack of recognition of their credentials and language barriers, Statscan says, citing a 2003 study.

Immigrants tend to find work fastest in Alberta, where a strong economy has created labour shortages, and Manitoba, which has a program that matches skilled workers to employment before they land.

Integration is so successful in Manitoba that even recent immigrants had higher employment rates than Canadian-born people in other provinces.

Ontario is still the largest provincial destination for immigrants, with British Columbia in second spot.

Among cities, Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal are home to most immigrants. In terms of jobs, newcomers tend to fare better in Toronto and Vancouver than in Montreal.

Down and out in Quebec

Even after more than five years in Canada, immigrants living in La Belle Province have double the jobless rate of native-born Canadians.


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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070911.IMMIG11/TPStory/National
A se vedea si tabelul de la sfirsitul articolului.
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Re: Informatii Utile
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 September 2007, 23:38:40 »
Tin sa ii multumesc userului care a scris textul de mai jos, pentru cantitatea impresionanta de informatii utile comunicate tuturor celor interesati de emigrarea in Canada.

Si tu de ce ii multumesti, te intereseaza emigrarea?

Oricum, nu vad nici o informatie, sau ti-a iesit in cafea ca vor urma ceva povestiri interesante?

Azi n-a venit la birou tov colonel, ca sa aprope difuzarea "informatiilor utile"?
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Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 September 2007, 12:42:02 »
Acum aveti informatiile utile
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Re: Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 September 2007, 12:46:36 »
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Re: Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 September 2007, 12:57:36 »
da, nu mai veniti aici, sintem full!  :D


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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 September 2007, 13:09:33 »
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 September 2007, 16:35:14 »
da, nu mai veniti aici, sintem full!  :D
corect !

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Re: Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 September 2007, 09:36:30 »
Eu zic ca articolul e realist, chiar cu riscul de a fi facut securist.In Qc pana si anglofonii nascuti aici sunt pe lista minoritatilor discriminate, cine nu crede sa sape pe internet.
La o provincie de 7.5 milioane de locuitori sunt 10 universitati, care produc mult mai multi indivizi instruiti decat poate absorbi Quebecul.Sa nu mai socotim colegiile, mult mai multe.E normal sa se ajunga la o inflatie de materie cenusie, pt ca ani buni au selectat numai emigranti cu studii superioare (adica pana in 2007 cand au descoperit ca de fapt muncitorii calificati ar fi mai indicati, se duc direct la munca, nu mai freaca menta prin scoli, la echivalari sau masterate).


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Re: Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 September 2007, 09:39:46 »
Eu zic ca articolul e realist, chiar cu riscul de a fi facut securist.In Qc pana si anglofonii nascuti aici sunt pe lista minoritatilor discriminate, cine nu crede sa sape pe internet.
La o provincie de 7.5 milioane de locuitori sunt 10 universitati, care produc mult mai multi indivizi instruiti decat poate absorbi Quebecul.Sa nu mai socotim colegiile, mult mai multe.E normal sa se ajunga la o inflatie de materie cenusie, pt ca ani buni au selectat numai emigranti cu studii superioare (adica pana in 2007 cand au descoperit ca de fapt muncitorii calificati ar fi mai indicati, se duc direct la munca, nu mai freaca menta prin scoli, la echivalari sau masterate).
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Re: Quebec = sanse foarte mici de reusita!
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 18 September 2007, 09:40:04 »
Eu zic ca articolul e realist, chiar cu riscul de a fi facut securist.In Qc pana si anglofonii nascuti aici sunt pe lista minoritatilor discriminate, cine nu crede sa sape pe internet.
La o provincie de 7.5 milioane de locuitori sunt 10 universitati, care produc mult mai multi indivizi instruiti decat poate absorbi Quebecul.Sa nu mai socotim colegiile, mult mai multe.E normal sa se ajunga la o inflatie de materie cenusie, pt ca ani buni au selectat numai emigranti cu studii superioare (adica pana in 2007 cand au descoperit ca de fapt muncitorii calificati ar fi mai indicati, se duc direct la munca, nu mai freaca menta prin scoli, la echivalari sau masterate).
nu zic ca n-ai dreptate !
problema este ca totusi s-au trezit putin cam tarziu sa aduca SI muncitori calificati ! ma intreb ce vor face cu atatia injineri ?!  :D probabil ca vor incepe sa dea la export prin tarile bananiere !  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 October 2007, 14:46:26 »
......
La o provincie de 7.5 milioane de locuitori sunt 10 universitati, care produc mult mai multi indivizi instruiti decat poate absorbi Quebecul.Sa nu mai socotim colegiile, mult mai multe.
......

Si unde i-ai vazut tu pe toti absolventii aia de la 10 universitati + colegiile sa stea la coada sa fie absorbiti de forta de munca din Quebec?
Canada-i mare soro statele sunt aproape, ce te face pe tine sa crezi ca toti asteapta aici?

LAs ca sunt absorbiti aia din Romania de la 100 de universitati(ca-s mai multe ca crasmele) la o populatie de 15 milioane sau cat o mai fi ramas. Ha cati mai sunteti pe acolo, sti sa zici? ;D
...de-o fi una,de-o fi alta...ca romani suntem si noi...

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 05 October 2007, 07:23:29 »
este foarte adevarat...

coibecul  este un fel de puscarie facuta benevol

am avut un cosmar....se facea ca inotam intr-o diarie..era coibecul
am avut nimic si am pierdut totul


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« Reply #12 on: Friday 05 October 2007, 09:19:01 »
am avut un cosmar....se facea ca inotam intr-o diarie..era coibecul
doctore ai mai fost pe la vreun medic ?! spune-i frate sa-ti schimbe pastilele ! :D
eu nu inteleg ceva , daca nu-ti place "coibecul" de ce mai stai ! uite cand nici mie nu-mi va mai placea ,voi pleca fara sa fac atatea valuri !

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 October 2007, 21:31:10 »
Da frate si voi sunteti fraieri de le dat apa la moara la toti aplaudaci :-\. Ce castigati ca ii combateti? Or sa vina mai multi romani? Te incalzeste cu ceva ca ii zici dobitocului ca nu e asa?  ??? Lasati prostiile si vedeti-va de treaba ca unora chiar daca le desenezi tot nu inteleg .... ;)

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 08 October 2007, 02:02:46 »
.......ca unora chiar daca le desenezi tot nu inteleg .... ;)

cred ca-i mai bine asa ! ;)

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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 10 October 2007, 15:27:43 »
d-le classic extra... dumneata esti aici ca in povestea cu ciobanul care striga lupii-lupii de atatea ori incat nimeni nu il mai crede cand chiar vine lupul.

youa have a point si inca unul tare cu articolul asta, moncher. din pacate credibilitatea dumitale este sever compromisa printre ceilalti membri ai forumului.

ma indoiesc ca economia Quebecului e bazata pe munca necalificata. orice economie are nevoie si de munca mai putin calificata, dar numai astfel de forta de munca nu te duce departe. ca imigrantii cu studii superioare nu isi gasesc de munca este intr-adevar dureros si e o bila neagra pentru sistemul din provincie... dar ceva din responsabilitate trebuie sa fie si cu imigrantii insisi... poate ar fi trebuit sa se intereseze inainte de a se muta in provincie de piata muncii in domeniul lor, poate ar fi gasit de lucru in Alberta sau in Australia, poate nu s-au straduit destul sa se reprofileze, etc...
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 October 2007, 22:21:43 »
Joburi ,echivalari,rata somajului,cati din cati muncim,contradictii rautacioase,etc,etc.ROMANI voi de afaceri nu ati auzit??

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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 31 October 2007, 09:03:30 »
Joburi ,echivalari,rata somajului,cati din cati muncim,contradictii rautacioase,etc,etc.ROMANI voi de afaceri nu ati auzit??
tu ai incercat sa faci afaceri in QC? dar nu cat sa scoti de un salariu (bun, sa zicem) ca asta nu e afacere; mai bine ramai salariat.
daca, da, povesteste-ne cum te-ai descurcat, sa incercam si noi  :)

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« Reply #18 on: Friday 02 November 2007, 12:16:31 »
Da.. nu vreau sa fac din asta un subiect de discutie de lunga durata...nu sant nici pe departe un pro Canada sau ma rog Quebec..dar respect alegerea celor care sant...vreau sa incurajez pe cei care vor sa faca treaba si in special pe tine dnc2000ro care mi-ai cerut sa povestesc...nu pot sa povestesc caci mi-ar trebui mult timp ..pot doar sa va spun ca afacerile imobiliare sant f. profitabile ..am avut deja profituri de 80 000$ pe tranzactie,40 000, ...ma multumesc si cu mai putin atata timp cat exista un rulaj.Deci se poate !!   Bafta va doresc si mai ales curaj!   PS.  NU sant agent imobiliar.!

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« Reply #19 on: Friday 02 November 2007, 13:22:22 »
mai, facusi si tu un flipping cand preturile au explodat?  :) ce-i asa mare secret sa povestesti. vad ca sunt multi care se tot dau ca au facut bani pe aici dar cand vine vorba de detalii se tot eschiveaza... :D