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Offline Grigore Zimbrea

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Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 14:58:03 »
Marea Britanie a anuntat ca va limita numarul de lucratori din Romania, dupa ce tara noastra accede in U.E. Cifra muncitorilor necalificati nu va trebui sa depaseasca 20 000 (Romania + Bulgaria). Anglia nu va mai lua decit atitia Romani (si Bulgari) cit are nevoie. Ceea ce trebuie sa realizam (spun britanicii) este beneficierea din plin de oportunitati fara sa avem de suportat vreo consecinta cit de cit negativa. Cota se reactualizeaza anual si numarul de lucratori calificati va fi acordat cu necesitatile economiei britanice. Muncitorii necalificati pot accede la joburi in agricultura si industria alimentara. Lucratorii autonomi vor putea munci in continuare daca demonstreaza ca sunt in realitatea independenti.

Asa ca intrarea in UE, pina la urma se va dovedi o mare pacaleala ca si acceptarea in NATO. Dupa 1989 Poporul Roman (Bulgar etc) a fost transformat intr-o masa de servitori, gata sa lucreze pe salarii de nimic atunci cind o tara sau alta din vest are nevoie de mina de lucru. Romanii, nimic altceva decit o gloata de sarantoci angajati pe mincare la straini. Deja odata cu explozia preturilor locuintelor, munca afara a devenit nerentabila. Chiar lucrind in Anglia, Spania etc., zeci de ani iti trebuie ca sa iei un apartament cu trei camere in Pantelimon.

Parca totusi ar trebui facut ceva. Este evident ca suntem pe o cale gresita. A venit vremea sa ne trezim. Ce vom face dupa virsta de 50 ani? fara pensie, fara nimic. Cine ne mai angajeaza? Din ce vom trai? Ca nivel de trai Romania este mult in urma Cubei (pe o lista unde Canada sta pe locul 3, [clasament facut de SUA nu de Cuba]). Cred ca asta spune multe!



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Britain to restrict jobs for Romania, Bulgaria

by Katherine Haddon
Tue Oct 24, 8:37 AM ET
 
LONDON (AFP) - The British government has announced caps on the number of workers it will admit from Romania and Bulgaria after their accession to the        European Union in 2007, with low-skilled workers limited to just 20,000.

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Home Secretary John Reid said Tuesday that Britain would take as many skilled workers as it needed, but said that those in low-skilled or unskilled jobs would have "no automatic right" to come and work in Britain.

"The important thing is to try and achieve that balance between the needs of the economy and the protection of our society and of public services and to make sure that we get the best of the opportunities afforded to us but avoid any of the disadvantages," he said.

There will be an annual review of the restrictions and a new committee will advise on quota management.

The number of skilled workers will be "dictated by the needs of the economy", Reid said.

In a written statement, Home Office junior minister Liam Byrne restated that low-skilled workers would be restricted to existing quota schemes to fill vacancies in agriculture and food-processing.

Skilled workers would be able to work in Britain if, as is currently the case, they get a work permit to take up a job where no suitable UK applicant can be found, or qualify under a programme for highly-skilled workers.

The self-employed will continue to be able to work here but must prove they are genuinely self-employed, Byrne said.

Reid described the controls as "sensible and balanced" and said in another statement that he looked forward to welcoming Romanians and Bulgarians "provided that they comply with our rules and obey the law", which would be "robustly enforced".

He also announced he was phasing out low-skilled migration schemes for workers from outside the EU.

When Poland and seven other eastern European states joined the EU in May 2004, Britain was one of only three countries to allow unrestricted access.

Prime Minister        Tony Blair's administration predicted that up to 13,000 people from eastern Europe would come to Britain, but so far up to 600,000 have arrived.

But Reid defended this policy in his statement, insisting it had been "a success".

He also denied reports of a cabinet split over the new restrictions, saying he had been supported by colleagues.

The Times newspaper reported that there had been a fierce battle between Reid and Beckett over the restrictions and quoted one unnamed source accusing Reid of "nuking" Britain's relations with the new EU entrants.

Beckett believes the limits will "cause a huge loss of goodwill" in eastern Europe and has fought "bitterly" against them, the paper said.

Publicly, Beckett said Monday she believed that the restrictions must be both "workable and effective".

Several British tabloids have led calls for restrictions to be imposed on the newcomers, citing concerns over corruption and organised crime in Romania and Bulgaria, which join the 25 members of the EU next January 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061024/wl_afp/britaineuromania_061024123711



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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 15:11:23 »
Marea Britanie a anuntat ca va limita numarul de lucratori din Romania, dupa ce tara noastra accede in U.E.
asta e de fapt esenta articolului si nu ceea ce vrei sa sugerezi tu.
Anglia nu va taia job-ul nici unui roman, insa va limita numarul celor ce primesc drept de munca
acolo. Diferenta doar de nuanta cand o spui, insa diferenta ff mare in realitate.

PS. Admin, uite, tocmai de astea vorbeam in topicul de ban-uri. Asta e exemplu clasic ..
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 15:52:44 »
"The number of workers will be "dictated by the needs of the economy", Reid said."


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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 16:21:56 »
exact. Nu se spune nicaieri de taiat job-uri asa cum se anunta pompos in titlu.
Vor oferi permise de munca doar cand cred ei ca e necesar.
Atitudine corecta si foarte deschisa. Nu inteleg problema si nevoia de facut gargara
in jurul ei
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 17:54:16 »
Pai daca 300 000 de est europeni, din tarile nou admise, au venit sa lucreze in Anglia in doar 2 Ani, atunci:

70 mil locuitori (tari nou admise)--------------------------- 300 000
20 mil locuitori (Romania)-----------------------------------X

X=85 000 -> asta ar trebui sa fie cifra de Romani acceptata in Anglia.

Ce uniune este aia unde functioneaza tot felul de legi discriminatorii si in care unii au tratamente preferentiale.



"41 000 de romani vor munci, din 2007, in Marea Britanie

(Mar 25-04-2006 - 17:15).

Peste 50 000 de romani si bulgari vor munci in Marea Britanie, anul viitor, daca Romania si Bulgaria vor adera la UE la 1 ianuarie 2007, arata un studiu al Institutului de Politici publice, lansat marti in Marea Britanie, scrie Reuters.

Dintre acestia 41 000 vor fi din Romania si 15 000 din Bulgaria, potrivit studiului.

Specialistii isi bazeaza afirmatiile observand ceea ce s-a intamplat dupa ultima extindere a UE cu 10 noi state, in mai 2004, cand mii de muncitori din Europa de Est si-au gasit locuri de munca in Marea Britanie.

Autorii studiului cred ca impactul pe care il vor avea imigrantii romani si bulgari asupra economiei britanice va fi unul pozitiv si trebuie vazut ca o oportunitate si nu ca o amenintare.

Locuri de munca in Anglia
Marea Britanie este una dintre destinatiile preferate de est-europenii ce cauta locuri de munca in occident.

Bruxellul va anunta in 16 mai daca Romania si Bulgaira vor fi primite in Uniunea Europeana la 1 ianuarie 2007 sau va amana primirea acestora pana in 2008, pentru ca acestea sa faca progresele cerute.

In ultimii doi ani, peste 300 000 de muncitori din Europa de est au venit in Marea Britanie.

Sursa: Hotnews.ro"



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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 18:57:56 »
Zimbrea
in afara de Canada, USA, EU, NATO si ONU, pe cine mai esti suparat?

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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 19:33:36 »
Grigore, lasa-ma sa concluzionez eu in locul tau:
 
POINT A
1. Faptul ca UK limiteaza intrarile din Ro (in functie de cerintele pietei) NU este corect; daca la poloneji le-a dat 0.4% din populatia totala, musai sa o tina tot asa si in secolul urmator. NU conteaza eventuala saturare a pietei de munca. NU este bine deci ca tara "receptoare" sa-si propuna ca toti noii veniti sa aibe un loc de munca potential.

2. Inseamna ca atitudine opusa ('intrati cat vreti, dar sa nu plangeti dupa loc de munca') o gasesti corecta.

3. ATUNCI DE CE BLAMEZI CANADA?!? In zecile/sutele de postari ale tale & comp, te plangeai ca in Canada, saracu' imigrant se pomeneste fara job asigurat! Ca a fost acceptat, dar ca asta nu e de ajuns, daca nu vine si jobul.....

Got my point(A)?

Daca nu esti de acord cu politica de imigrari a Canadei, ar trebui sa aplauzi politica UK de imigrari (care macar are meritul de a fi realista)
Reciproca e de asemenea adevarata.

POINT B

Tu insuti ai tradus: Cifra muncitorilor necalificati nu va trebui sa depaseasca 20 000 (Romania + Bulgaria). QED
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 19:38:45 »

Ce uniune este aia unde functioneaza tot felul de legi discriminatorii si in care unii au tratamente preferentiale.

una in care fiecare tara incearca sa-si protejeze cetatenii, job-urile, economia, protectia sociala, etc.
adica romanii tre acceptati in UE sa aiba posibilitatea sa mearga oriunde liber sa-si caute de lucru? asta crezi ca e intentia celor din UE? Daca da, atunci stii atata socio-economie cata a uitat guvernul UE ;)
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 19:55:02 »
on topic, deci orice "turist(a)" care gaseste de lucru ca si baby-sitter in marea britanie poate sa stea indefinit acolo din cauza ca este "self-employed"   englezii astia au lasat o "portita" de nu se poate, practic toate slujbele astea care se platesc prost pot fi suplinite de "self-employed" e practic praf in ochi toata declaratia lor cu 20 de mii pe an (LOL)

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 October 2006, 19:56:54 »
pai la self employed Regatul Unit pierde de doua ori : 1) self employedul plateste taxe in general mai mici decit angajatul full time ( asta in cazul ca va raporta in mod cinstit veniturile  ),
2) firma care il angajeaza nu plateste taxe pentru el , plus ca inregistrarea unei firme de self employed costa extrem de putin si procedura este foarte simpla.

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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 05:49:38 »
Guvernul de la Londra a decis ieri ca numai absolventii de invatamant superior vor mai avea acces liber la munca in Marea Britanie. Restul, numai daca exista oferta neocupata de cetatenii britanici.

Londra a anuntat ieri oficial restrictiile pe piata muncii impuse cetatenilor din Romania si Bulgaria care vor sa lucreze in Anglia, dupa integrarea celor doua state in Uniunea Europeana. Numarul muncitorilor necalificati a fost limitat la 20.000, insa acestia vor putea munci numai in sectorul agroalimentar, cu conditia ca angajatorii sa dovedeasca faptul ca se confrunta cu un deficit al fortei de munca. Pentru persoanele cu inalta calificare, in special pe domenii cu mare cerere cum ar fi  IT, finante-banci, medicina si inginerie, care solicita investitii serioase in formarea profesionala, precum si pentru “self-employed”, cei care lucreaza pe cont propriu, nu au fost impuse nici un fel de restrictii. In acelasi timp, tinerii romani aflati la studii in Marea Britanie au voie sa-si ia slujbe part-time.

Daniela Andreescu, seful Departamentului pentru Munca in Strainatate, spune ca decizia e contrara celor stabilite la semnarea tratatului de aderare, in timp ce Comisia Europeana si-a exprimat regretul fata de restrictiile impuse.

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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 10:09:16 »
Decizie absolut corecta dpdv moral si economic. Nu o sa mai planga nimeni ca l-a chemat Anglia si n-a gasit de munca (desi situatia e un pic diferita de cea canadiana, dar nu mult). Nici aia nu sa se chinuie cu socialul pentru romani. Si iar e bine. Pentru romani.
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 10:44:22 »
Parca UE insemna libera circulatie a persoanelor si posibilitatea fiecaruia de a lucra acolo unde poate, fara restrictii si exceptii impuse de un guvern sau altul.

UE trebuia sa fie ca un fel de tara, in care locuitorii au voie sa munceasca unde vor (unde gasesc job).

Ce fac englezii este ca si cum Bucurestiul ar impune restrictii pentru cei din Vaslui, sa spunem, si ar da o lege care interzice intrarea in oras a mai mult de 300 vasluieni pe an.



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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 10:52:11 »
pai, pe vremea cind erai plutonier nu era si Bucurestiul "oras inchis"?
ai uitat ca ai avut nevoie de dispensa ca sa lucrezi pe Batistei?

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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 10:53:59 »
nu drona bipeda, UE n-a fost creata cu scopul de a absorbi capsunari din est.
UE e o uniune economica in primul rand. Fiecare tara isi pastreaza legile , autonomia, insa accepta ca schimburile economice intre ele sa se faca cu anumite facilitati. Evident, circulatia fortei de munca este libera, insa trebuie evitat de catre tarile deja membre un exod de muncitori sau "producatori" ce ar putea destabiliza economiile locale. Chiar crezi ca cei din UE is asa naivi incat habar n-au ca romanii ar pleca cu sutele de mii da ca nu milioanele la munca in vest? Si dupa ce-ar ajunge acolo, daca n-ar gasi , ar incepe sa urle ca vor protectie sociala, ca deh, el e cetateal al UE....
UE  .. "nu e asa de prosti"... cum crede o drona bipeda ca tine

si inca ceva: lasa dracului scrisul cu bold, ca nu da greutate mai mare spuselor. Ce crezi ca-i tipar cu plumb aici?  :D
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« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 10:57:11 »
ursule... iar ii dai apa la moara lu asta.

si sa fac o corectie la afirmatia ta: nu o sa urle "vrem protectie sociala", o sa urle "keep you fucking hands up and fill in that bag with cash" :D
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 11:02:03 »
:)
ii dau, ii dau apa la moara, cum sa nu? Vreau sa vad cat il tin nervii...:)
ma amuz copios cand vad posturi virulente , parca-l vad tastand cu vena umflata pe tampla
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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 11:10:54 »
Germany cool on Romania, Bulgaria in EU

BRUSSELS, Oct. 25 (UPI) -- The German parliament, citing problems with the countries' legal systems, is threatening sanctions against Romania and Bulgaria after their EU accession

Acum si nemtii intentioneaza sa sanctioneze pe Romani dupa intrarea in UE.

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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 11:13:05 »
nici nu are fun sa te contrazici cu Zimbrea.
el o tine pe a lui, precum plutonierul si nu vine cu nici un fel de argumente.

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Re: Odata cu intrarea in U.E., Anglia le taie joburile Romanilor
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 25 October 2006, 11:16:24 »
Romanii si Bulgarii au reactionat negativ la auzul stirii despre restrictionari.

"Romania and Bulgaria unhappy about UK job barriers
By Devika Bhat
 
Romanians and Bulgarians reacted to the immigration restrictions announced by John Reid today largely with disappointment, with Bulgaria threatening to implement reciprocal measures against the UK."

 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2418925,00.html